Bob is a shit but he has a point
No he doesn’t? Unless you want Mewtwo to be a Lucario clone, as that’s what Dr. Mario and Dark Pit are. Clones. That take a lot less time to make. It’s not just “the time they took to make Dark Pit could’ve gone into making Mewtwo”, hell, it’s not even “the time they took to make Lucina, Dr. Mario, and Dark Pit could’ve gone to make Mewtwo” judging by Sakurai’s comments during Brawl’s development regarding Dedede being about 6 clones in terms of development time.
But sure, make a game with 5 pokémon, the fucking Duck Hunt dog, references to the times Nintendo was just copying Pong, even references to other important gaming pillars like Namco’s arcade days, but no, none of that matters, because there’s no Mewtwo.
(The real travesty is the lack of Ridley).
I think Bob’s a little tiny bit right though.
It’s fairly transparent what’s going on with the Kid Icarus content. I don’t seem to remember Kid Icarus having such a huge impact that it justified three places in the roster, one of which is literally a palette swap. Pit was a curiosity when he was announced for Brawl (with a lot of magazines and websites having to actually explain who he was), and in the six years since I don’t remember him becoming a smash hit superstar, with only one lukewarm game to his name. Dark Pit could easily have just been a Pit alternate costume and it would have been that character! Same with Dr. Mario, really. A quick model change and there you have it, Dr. Mario is in the game without taking up a character slot.
Now, of course, Kid Icarus is Sakurai’s thing. And man, he’s giving us an ace game, so I can’t really be mad about him giving himself a bit of service, especially if it’s low on dev time. I just think it’s bizarre that, in the final product, these characters will get in over iconic Nintendo characters that a lot of people want to see. Mewtwo, for example, has a large, vocal following, to the point that people have gone to the trouble of modding him back into Brawl. My brother knows only three Pokémon: Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo. He already has a moveset even! They’d just need a new HD model and there you go!
Similarly (and closest to my heart), Metroid has gone relatively unacknowledged, despite its fans not exactly being quiet. I wouldn’t go for Ridley, personally (I think he fulfills his role as the de facto boss character perfectly), but why not Dark Samus? Her whole point was that, despite appearances, she wasn’t just a dark clone of/equal match to Samus, but even if she was I’d just be chuffed that I got to play as her. Her model’s already in the game!
(Although if there was the dev time: phazon spreadshot for her B attack, Dark Echoes could be a great Double Team esque move, she could have that attack where she rises in a ball and slams down as her recovery, and final smash? She could turn back into Metroid Prime.)
I dunno, when I think of iconic Nintendo characters that I’d love to play as, I think of Dark Samus, Mewtwo, and Skull Kid, long, LONG before I think of Dark Pit and Dr. Mario. I get that they would hardly have taken any development time to make, but I don’t think it’s unjustified in being a little disappointed when “A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES” and all of a sudden… it’s Mario again. Hopefully in DLC, eh? :)
(Just to clarify: super hyped for Smash. Got the demo on my 3DS and I’m in love. Day 1 purchase for me.)
Thing is, no-one is taking up any slots. Slots do not exist.
Dr. Mario has a slot because he has a different… what was it, down+b? He hasn’t got FLUDD. So that couldn’t just be a skin. So he’s a clone.
Dark Pit has a slot because he has a different Final Smash and was amongst the most demanded characters in Japan. He’s Little Mac for them, comparatively (in the sense of a character one side of the world wants and another doesn’t care).
But if neither of them existed, there wouldn’t be two magical empty slots. There’d be none.
Now, again. Unless people want their Mewtwo to be a Lucario clone, he’d need:
- reinstating and possibly reballancing the moveset, since it couldn’t just be imported from Brawl
- a new Final Smash
- a new model with new animations
- possibly new voice clips
This is not something as simple as “oh just remove Dr. Mario, Lucina, Dark Pit and BAM WHAM SHAZAM ENOUGH TIME FOR MEWTWO”. It just doesn’t work like that.
As for “why not Dark Samus as a clone”, this is personal speculation. I think they tried hard to restrict the clones. Lucina, Dr. Mario, and Dark Pit were going to just be alternate skins like the Koopalings, but then they ended up deciding “no we need to alter Lucina beyond what can just be an alternate skin”, opening the floodgate for clones. They immediately closed it though, just allowing themselves
- The Dr. Mario skin they were already developing since it’d allow them to remove FLUDD
- Dark Pit due to demand from Japan
That’s it. No-one else, otherwise the roster (that’s already fuckhuge) would end up in 300 characters, all clones.
I understand what you’re saying there. And tbh, I’m tempted to just leave this here, so I’m not complaining about a game I sincerely love, haha!
But yeah, I totally get what you’re saying! From an objective, overall, everything considered viewpoint I can totally see why the Smash team would go the route they did. I mean, I do think there will be a lot of people let down when they see “A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES” and it’s just Mario in a different outfit, or Pit with some hair dye. I think that could have been avoided with a new costume, especially as there are customisable movesets now, but that’d be a more complicated way of achieving the same effect, so what the heck! And, like I say, I don’t think it’s worth getting upset because they prioritised their favourites.
However, I think it’s only human to be a little disappointed. And I am a little disappointed! I can’t operate from an objective overall everything considered viewpoint; I don’t frequently keep up with the overall consensus in Japan. I’m just a little disappointed that obscure characters (to me) like Dr. Mario and Dark Pit are getting on the character select screen while a ton of more popular and iconic characters (to me) are not.
I totally get why it is the way it is! I just am feeling a little (a very little - like, I only think about it when someone mentions it to me) dissatisfied. I think the game has more than a substantial amount of content though, so I can’t be mad at all. Just, basically, I hope we get some of these characters as DLC! :D